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BevIsHopeful
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 14, 2009 8:40 pm    Post subject: Psychotherapy for homosexuality  Reply with quote

Last night, our Dr. Phil show featured two sides to this argument, psychotherapists who routinely counsel families of gender-confused (their term) children.  In the 75 percent case the boy wants to be a girl, the therapist has found the mother emotionally usurps the father's place with the boy, and the therapy nurtures a bonding between the father and son, and seeks to minimize the bond with the mother.  Based on the high success rate of their therapeutic approach, they believe gender confusion is largely determined by the emotional bond to the opposite parent, causing the child in its formative years to emotionally relate most to the opposite sex.

On the other side, the therapists were saying there is evidence the emotional mapping is formed by hormone changes while in the uterus.  

The debate was interesting to me because of the success rate of the first group.  What does that say about the causes of transgender and gay preferences later in life?
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 23, 2009 7:03 am    Post subject: Re: Psychotherapy for homosexuality Reply with quote

Hi Bev,
BevIsHopeful wrote:
Last night, our Dr. Phil show featured two sides to this argument, psychotherapists who routinely counsel families of gender-confused (their term) children. In the 75 percent case the boy wants to be a girl, the therapist has found the mother emotionally usurps the father's place with the boy, and the therapy nurtures a bonding between the father and son, and seeks to minimize the bond with the mother. Based on the high success rate of their therapeutic approach, they believe gender confusion is largely determined by the emotional bond to the opposite parent, causing the child in its formative years to emotionally relate most to the opposite sex.

On the other side, the therapists were saying there is evidence the emotional mapping is formed by hormone changes while in the uterus.

The debate was interesting to me because of the success rate of the first group. What does that say about the causes of transgender and gay preferences later in life?

I am suspicious of the psychological idea, simply because my two brothers were brought up in the same family and parental circumstances as I, and yet were both heterosexual.

I find the argument for uteral changes far more believable ... I was the last of three boys.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 23, 2009 8:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmmmm If anybody needs psychotherapy it's those poor sods who take their belief in a god too far....

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 23, 2009 8:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lucifers Duck wrote:
Hmmmm If anybody needs psychotherapy it's those poor sods who take their belief in a god too far....


They should certainly take a pinch of salt with what other men have written about their God.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 23, 2009 9:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I see this as another way to have a go at women.

It suggests that its all the fault of women who are "close" to their boys.

Surely if this was the case, there would be an explosion of homosexuality, as all the boys brought up in single, mother only, families, would be gay?
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 23, 2009 9:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lexilogio wrote:
I see this as another way to have a go at women.

It suggests that its all the fault of women who are "close" to their boys.

Surely if this was the case, there would be an explosion of homosexuality, as all the boys brought up in single, mother only, families, would be gay?

Absolutely, Lexi. It's a non-starter in my opinion.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 24, 2009 1:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

For one thing I'd be careful not to conflate "gender confusion" with homosexuality. They're totally different phenomenon that may occur together but are by no means synonymous. There are plenty of homosexual men (in fact the vast majority) who are more than happy with their masculinity and don't feel that they were misassigned gender at birth, simply that they like men. Everyone lumps LGBT together without understanding that the Transgendered community have very distinct issues to the Lesbians, Gays and Bisexuals. Moreover, the transgendered and "gender confused" are a tiny minority of the LGBT community, so I'd be concerned if anyone tried to apply and generalise these very niche findings to the non-heterosexual community at large.

Moreover, the more rigorous evidence in terms of sexuality research is overwhelmingly in favour of there being a very significant biological driver behind it - both genetic and in terms of uterine hormonal environment which ties in to birth order.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 24, 2009 7:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Morning Gareth,
Shaft2101 wrote:
Moreover, the more rigorous evidence in terms of sexuality research is overwhelmingly in favour of there being a very significant biological driver behind it - both genetic and in terms of uterine hormonal environment which ties in to birth order.

Absolutely! However, it is perfectly obvious that the Bible authors were completely ignorant of such facts, and merely wrote what their culture had decided on the subject.

The religious leaders of today who base their teachings on the Bible are clearly between the devil and deep blue sea. Either they accept facts and admit that said teachings in this respect are stupid and antiquated, or they persist in closing their eyes to the truth.

No matter what they do, they will be faced with opposition from followers in one or other of the camps. I don't envy them their position, but anybody who claims that they have 'divine authority' on their side deserves all the problems which that must entail.

Like most atheists, I find it bitterly amusing that many people are unable to recognise that they are being deceived by their own mental processes.

Let us hope that science and education will eventually bring enlightenment.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 24, 2009 7:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gareth made some good points.

It's something we were talking about (in reality) yesterday - the fact that some men are clearly happy with their masculinity and sexual preference, and some aren't. We were talking about Sean Penn, who seems able to be heterosexual yet carry off an oscar winning performance as a gay man (Milk).

Psychotherapy may help those who are confused about their masculinity or preference. Religious psychotherapy may "appear" to work with those who are bisexual - and I suspect that the numbers of biseuxual people is far far higher than generally acknowledged.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 05, 2013 6:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Although many lesbians and gay men learn to cope with the social stigma against homosexuality, ... What about therapy intended to change sexual orientation from gay .?

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