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PostPosted: Sun Jun 08, 2014 10:52 pm    Post subject:  Reply with quote

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No Shaker, you see your new church pays homage to themselves, to humanity.

It's not my church - I don't have a church. I don't want or need one. I've seen what they're capable of doing to humanity so I think they're far better dispensed with.

If you mean that there are a very few people, who I should imagine tend to be ex-believers (which I never have been), who for their own reasons (primarily that of community) feel a need to ape churches, well, that's up to them. The trouble with that, of course, is that the Church of Atheism is on record as having defined a church as an assembly of people gathered together who broadly share the same beliefs.

Which sounds great until you remember that when you define words so broadly they lose any real meaning.

I'm not a humanist and so feel no need to pay homage to humanity. Anybody who does so, however, has this one thing in their favour: there is actually such a thing as humanity; humanity actually exists, so on that level at least they're not silly.

Which puts them rather ahead of people who pay homage to things that don't exist, as far as I can see.

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They are very, very, insecure people, those godless atheists.


No - some of them may very well be, though that'll be because they're human beings and not because they're atheist human beings.

By the way: you still don't need to say godless atheists. It's a pleonasm, a redundancy. Godless is contained within and understood by the term atheist and vice versa, so only one - either one - of those terms will do. One or the other is fine, but using both just makes you look silly and as though you don't know what you're talking about.

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Now you mention fan clubs, well I would not doubt there are those that gather somewhere on the planet and pay homage and worship not God and not you, but Elvis. Can they become ordained Elvis ministers in the 1st church of the King of Rock and Roll? Some day I would not doubt.


Where else?

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Will you admit the atheist Sunday assembly is mimicking Christian services?

No. I've never been to one, have no need or desire to go to one, so it looks as though you're following the Church of Atheism in defining any group of people who share broadly the same set of beliefs as a church.

You and the Church of Atheism on the same page - who'd a thunk it?
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 09, 2014 1:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Like Shaker is never one to generalize about the Christians and their faith. Too funny you.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 09, 2014 2:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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They are very, very, insecure people, those godless atheists.



No I'm not. So you are wrong.

There.


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