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PostPosted: Sat Feb 22, 2014 8:20 pm    Post subject:  Reply with quote

Ketty wrote:
Footballers and entertainers should not be paid so much that ordinary people cannot afford to go and see them.

All those who look after us and protect us should be paid more, and I include in that toilet cleaners, cleaners generally, refuse collectors, the police, fire fighters, medics, paramedics/ambulance:

Those who have had to study hard, sacrificing some of their own lives in order to be able to look after us should be paid a little more still - doctors, dentists, etc.

Who deserves silly money?  Nobody!  Certainly not bankers and the like.

BIB is pretty much exactly what I was going to say - people who manifest some real skill which is really involved in the betterment of the lives of others. I just can't see actors, pop stars, writers and (sorry trent!) sports men and women as falling into that category. It takes, what, five years (as far as I know? May be wrong) to become a doctor (or even a dentist or a vet), and notwithstanding the sometimes deserved reputation of medical students that's five years of hard brain graft. After that it's decades of criminally long hours, lower pay than is merited, sometimes abuse and violence, 3:15am outcalls and everything else that stems from it, which we now know all too often in too many cases is depression, alcoholism, divorce and even suicide. What are the suicide stats for GPs and dentists these days - have they come down at all from the last time I read about them?

No, Wayne. I believe and know that you absolutely love what you do. God knows I get that. I believe and know that you were born to do it and nothing else. God knows I get that as well. It consumes your life all day and every day. I get that as well. But not for £43,000 every day while there are chaps and chapesses with little kiddies going to food banks to feed themselves, and while there are physically and/or mentally disabled people stuck without money while their appeal is heard, or old folks wondering whether it's going to be two hours with the central heating and two cardigans on or supper tonight. No, Wayne. Just no.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 29, 2014 3:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is our contribution to society to be recompensed purely on a supply and demand basis? A road sweeper performs a vital function, but their skill has no monetary value. A nurse or a teacher may hold the moral high ground over a banker or overpaid celebrity, but as public servants their recompense is based on supply and an ethos of public service.

Christiano Ronaldo is a wondrous sportsman who brings pleasure to millions, yet many decry his monetary rewards. One philosophical criticism is that 'natural talent' is undeserving of such rewards [ I suspect Ronaldo does train a bit as well].  There was a time when privilege gained access to the professions regardless of ability [some may argue that this still pertains in the UK], so as 'unfair' as being elevated by 'merit' may seem, it is surer fairer than being the fortunate beneficiary of family connection.

The problem in the UK now with meritocracy is that it seems to have become the privilege of the middle classes who monopolise the best schools and reinforce the opportunity divide. If every state school was of equal quality and we valued every person who made the most of their abilities, we might well consider that even the most humble job deserved a living wage. I fear however that the lack of opportunity has become a cornerstone of our employment and has degenerated into the ubiquitous zero hour contract.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 30, 2014 1:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Titanic syndrome comes to mind, there will alwats be steerage class.

bernard (hug)

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