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John 21: "The disciple whom Jesus loved"

 
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Farmer Geddon
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 26, 2009 11:49 am    Post subject: John 21: "The disciple whom Jesus loved"  Reply with quote

Go no response from the No Greater lovers - So thought I'd ask here instead:

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7Then the disciple whom Jesus loved said to Peter, "It is the Lord!" As soon as Simon Peter heard him say, "It is the Lord," he wrapped his outer garment around him (for he had taken it off) and jumped into the water.

8The other disciples followed in the boat, towing the net full of fish, for they were not far from shore, about a hundred yards.

9When they landed, they saw a fire of burning coals there with fish on it, and some bread.

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20Peter turned and saw that the disciple whom Jesus loved was following them. (This was the one who had leaned back against Jesus at the supper and had said, "Lord, who is going to betray you?")

21When Peter saw him, he asked, "Lord, what about him?"

22Jesus answered, "If I want him to remain alive until I return, what is that to you? You must follow me."

23Because of this, the rumour spread among the brothers that this disciple would not die. But Jesus did not say that he would not die; he only said, "If I want him to remain alive until I return, what is that to you?"

24This is the disciple who testifies to these things and who wrote them down. We know that his testimony is true.




It wasn't John - so who was it?
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 26, 2009 12:06 pm    Post subject: Re: John 21: "The disciple whom Jesus loved" Reply with quote

Lucifers Duck wrote:
Go no response from the No Greater lovers - So thought I'd ask here instead:

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7Then the disciple whom Jesus loved said to Peter, "It is the Lord!" As soon as Simon Peter heard him say, "It is the Lord," he wrapped his outer garment around him (for he had taken it off) and jumped into the water.

8The other disciples followed in the boat, towing the net full of fish, for they were not far from shore, about a hundred yards.

9When they landed, they saw a fire of burning coals there with fish on it, and some bread.

............................

20Peter turned and saw that the disciple whom Jesus loved was following them. (This was the one who had leaned back against Jesus at the supper and had said, "Lord, who is going to betray you?")

21When Peter saw him, he asked, "Lord, what about him?"

22Jesus answered, "If I want him to remain alive until I return, what is that to you? You must follow me."

23Because of this, the rumour spread among the brothers that this disciple would not die. But Jesus did not say that he would not die; he only said, "If I want him to remain alive until I return, what is that to you?"

24This is the disciple who testifies to these things and who wrote them down. We know that his testimony is true.




It wasn't John - so who was it?


It was John.


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 26, 2009 2:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is a possibilty that the disciple whom Jesus loved was Mary Magadelene and not John at all.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 26, 2009 4:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't think that you could support that from the places where the phrase is used.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 26, 2009 9:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I heard that postulated too Jacqui...

How about this notion: The disciple  Jesus loved most was...............  his brother James.  
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 26, 2009 11:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lucifers Duck wrote:
I heard that postulated too Jacqui...

How about this notion: The disciple  Jesus loved most was...............  his brother James.  


How did I know that the Mary Magadelene would enter into this discussion.
It was John.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 27, 2009 2:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I say it's John too, but this writer suggests it could be Lazarus:

http://www.allaboutjesuschrist.or...ciple-jesus-loved-lazarus-faq.htm


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Guest, if that's you Lynne, why don't you just apologise to Admin for breaking forum rules and return honestly and openly instead of again, sneaking back in?

Guest, if you aren't Lynne than my apologies for putting 2 and 2 together and being poor at maths.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 27, 2009 8:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree Ket - It is more likely to be Lazarus rather than the chap claimed:

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Who was the beloved disciple? Look to the Bible for the answer.


The beloved disciple leaned on Jesus at the Last Supper yet this unnamed gospel writer omits the bread and wine. Why?

Which Gospel leaves out the breaking of the bread and the sharing of the cup at the Last Supper and why?
   
The teaching that the one whom "Jesus loved" was John is usually presented as if it was based on scripture, yet this idea doesn't stand up to Biblical scrutiny. Unlike the John idea, which has no scriptural basis, The Disciple Whom Jesus Loved relies on the Bible alone - because the Bible is true, and therefore we should trust it above all else.

   
The teachings and traditions of men aren't infallible, so we must use the Bible to know if we've been taught correctly. "It is better to trust in the Lord than to put confidence in man", says Psalm 118:8. And if there is no verse of scripture that suggests "the disciple whom Jesus loved" was John, then why should we accept this man-made tradition?

   
Amazingly, not only can the Bible prove that this author wasn't John, but it is also able to establish the true identity of this author! (It sounds impossible, but this friend of Jesus was able to conceal his identity even though he was one of the New Testament's most notable characters.)

Was John the beloved disciple who wrote the fourth gospel?


A PDF of J Phillips book explaining his assertion

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