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Greek and Coptic John 1:1c examples?

 
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letusreason
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 25, 2011 8:47 am    Post subject: Greek and Coptic John 1:1c examples?  Reply with quote

As the BBC Christian forum is closing soon, I thought I would come on over to this forum to continue an already started topic (on the BBC) on Greek and Coptic John 1:1c and the grammatical examples that match such, as is seen in other parts of John's gospel!

Does the Greek and coptic John 1:1 prove that the NWT is right to have "a god" at John 1:1c?

What is your empirical evidence for or against?

Letusreason
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 04, 2011 3:19 pm    Post subject: Re: Greek and Coptic John 1:1c examples? Reply with quote

letusreason wrote:
As the BBC Christian forum is closing soon, I thought I would come on over to this forum to continue an already started topic (on the BBC) on Greek and Coptic John 1:1c and the grammatical examples that match such, as is seen in other parts of John's gospel!

Does the Greek and coptic John 1:1 prove that the NWT is right to have "a god" at John 1:1c?

What is your empirical evidence for or against?

Letusreason


Came on this site and hoped  to see you, elvis and rabbit. Would be good to know where you are. This lot seem to be quite a lot of head bangers even the moderator Lexilogio thinks she knows something about the Greek!!
Hope to find you and the others sometime.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 04, 2011 7:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Your friends might be over on this board:

http://www.religionethics.co.uk/index.php

A lot of refugees from the BBC have gone there.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 05, 2011 11:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pukon_the_Treen wrote:
Your friends might be over on this board:

http://www.religionethics.co.uk/index.php

A lot of refugees from the BBC have gone there.


Thanks for your help, maybe speak to you on there.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 06, 2011 6:38 pm    Post subject: A better question about the Coptic Reply with quote

"Does the Greek and coptic John 1:1 prove that the NWT is right to have "a god" at John 1:1c?"

I think it best to frame this question differently:

Does the Coptic text of John 1:1 reflect a faithful translation of the Greek text, and what does it reveal about a correct translation of John 1:1?

The Sahidic Coptic text was translated from the Greek in the latter part of the 2nd century or early 3rd century AD, and has no direct association with any modern Bible translation.  It should be examined in its own right.

That being said, the Coptic text of John 1:1c says "auw neunoute pe pshaje."

Translated, that means "the Word was divine" or "the Word was a divine being" or even "the Word was a god."

Coptic scholar Bentley Layton translates Coptic John 1:1c interlinearly as 'a god was the Word' in his grammar book, Coptic in 20 Lessons, p. 7 (2007).

See also:

http://www.warpco.com/Solomon/SAHIDI4.PDF

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 07, 2011 1:33 pm    Post subject: Re: Greek and Coptic John 1:1c examples? Reply with quote

letusreason wrote:
As the BBC Christian forum is closing soon, I thought I would come on over to this forum to continue an already started topic (on the BBC) on Greek and Coptic John 1:1c and the grammatical examples that match such, as is seen in other parts of John's gospel!

Does the Greek and coptic John 1:1 prove that the NWT is right to have "a god" at John 1:1c?

What is your empirical evidence for or against?

Letusreason


Hello LetUsReason,

On the chance that others here may not know, for the benefit of those within this discussion group, regarding the translating of John 1:1, it may interest you to know that there is soon to be published an 19+ year study (as of 08/2011), an historical analysis, an exhaustive annotated bibliography, with its main focus on the wording and meaning of that verse entitled, "What About John 1:1?"

To learn more of its design and expected release date, you are invited to visit:

http://www.goodcompanionbooks.com

When finally published, you will discover over 430 scholarly reference works which have opted to say something other than, "and the Word was God," and that, among these, are included over 120 which had chosen to use "a god" within the third clause of their renderings.

As you might expect, we are very excited at the opportunity to share our findings with others.

Agape, JohnOneOne.

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