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PostPosted: Mon Oct 01, 2012 2:16 pm    Post subject:  Reply with quote

Honey 56 wrote:
i have never seen the life of Brian  


I highly recommend that you see it. I found nothing in it to offend me at all. It mocks people who need mocking, but it does not say anything offensive about Jesus.

Jesus does not appear. But there is a scene wherein it is essential to the plot to accept that Jesus did in reality cure lepers, so it is actually on message.

I promise you will not find it offensive.

(And this from a man who, unlike many of my generation, now find a lot of Monty Python material dated and tiresome, even stuff I loved at the time. Not so LoB - it is top comedy and hasn't dated at all).
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 01, 2012 2:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

cyberman wrote:
Honey 56 wrote:
i have never seen the life of Brian  


I highly recommend that you see it. I found nothing in it to offend me at all. It mocks people who need mocking, but it does not say anything offensive about Jesus.

Jesus does not appear.


Actually he does - but I don't blame you for missing him. He's right at the very beginning of the film proper (i.e. after the pre-title sequence with Mandy and the baby Brian in the stable, being visited by the three wise men who go there having missed Mary and Jesus in the stable next door). He's hard to spot because he's shown giving the Sermon on the Mount in the distance and for a very, very short space of time - ten seconds maximum, I'd say, and probably less. He is played (beautifully and sensitively, with great respect and realism) by an extremely fine actor called Ken Colley (a staggeringly good actor, one of the most criminally underrated and little known members of the profession in this country, IMO). Here's a screencap:



As I say, the shot lasts a matter of a few seconds. That is the sum total of Jesus's appearance and presence in the film. That's it.

When I said realism just now I meant that Colley delivers the Sermon on the Mount not in King James Version-stylee language ("Blessed are the ...") but in an appropriately direct English which, one can easily assume, would have been how such a message might well have been delivered (if such an event ever took place):

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JESUS: How blest are the sorrowful. They shall find consolation. How blest are those who hunger and thirst to see right prevail. They shall be satisfied. How blest are those whose hearts are pure. They shall see God. How blest are those of gentle spirit. They shall have the earth for their possession.


These points aside, I just couldn't second cyberman's recommendation enough (even if he does have a truly gigantic nose*) - the film is an absolute gem. There's a reason that it routinely tops the lists of greatest comedy films. As Noses-R-Us has already observed, it satirises the people or rather the mindsets that need satirising, well and often: the stoning sequence is a joy ("But all I said to my wife was that that piece of halibut was good enough for Jehovah ...") and although the crucifixion scene (Always Look on the Bright Side of Life) has been a little wearied by over-repetition (like Del Boy falling through the bar), it's still the fitting end of a modern comedy masterpiece.

*In-joke reference that only makes sense if you've seen the film, which you should without delay.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 01, 2012 7:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well Cyberman and Shaker, seeing as you both highly recommend it, I will take the plunge and see it myself.

I am sure to get a copy of it on a famous internet site, so I will order it post haste, take a look and report back.
I do like a good comedy. My hubby has already seen it, I am sure he will enoy it again.
Thanks both.

Honey


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