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What really pisses me off about athiests
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cyberman
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PostPosted: Thu May 02, 2013 4:55 pm    Post subject:  Reply with quote

[what follows is a response to northernstar's response "The feeling is mutual". He has deleted this while I was typing. Timorous beastie that he is.]

Yes, I'm sure. But "No, you are" isn't terribly convincing, old chap. I mean you have very clearly on this thread chosen to waste everybody's time by pretending to contribute a debating point and then failing to engage. I, for my part, have gone to some lengths to explain my point of view and to try to encourage you to expand upon yours. ***Edited by Lexi***
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PostPosted: Thu May 02, 2013 9:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Boss Cat wrote:
Well I don't think you have to actually read or experience something to have a view on it, although of course you gain insights from experience.

I've never read the Origin of the Species (or whatever it's full title is) but I believe it's the best account of the development of life that we have so far. That's only because people who do know what they are talking about say so with good authority.

I think if you insist on putting forward strong opinions about anything you haven't read or experienced should exercise judgement over the authorities you can cite, and evidence your opinion.  

Saying 'I've never read the Bible but it's all stories so it's rubbish' isn't exactly the most learned of positions, is it?

I've never read the whole Bible either and the bits I am familiar with gain richer and fuller meaning for me the more I revisit them.  Even if I don't take it all as literal truth.


Aww mate.

That is not the attitude to take.

How can you possibly make an informed opinion of something you have never seen/read/or seen?

If you don't see it, listen to it, read it - but only rely on what others say about it; then you ain't forming your own opinion, but subjugating yourself to the opinions of others.

You have got to do the above before you can disagree or agree with the opinions of others!!
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PostPosted: Thu May 02, 2013 9:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Because I don't have the time or intellectual capacity to read and understand everything for myself, that's why.  

I don't have to read Mein Kampf, or The Origin of the Species to have views on the subject matter as long as I acknowledge that my opinions are based on limited knowledge.  We do it all the time, I use maps I had no part in drawing up, I go into rooms trusting they are safe having had no part in the design and building of them and I vote in elections never having read the Maastricht Treaty.

I rely on authority, but I think your earlier post was justified and made sense.  Broadly I agree with you.
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PostPosted: Thu May 02, 2013 10:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Awww Mate, you can read my Copy of Kampf.. My copy of Origin - I haven't read either for ages, so you can borrow them and let me know what you think..

I can kinda see where you are going with maps, rooms and stuff..

But we is chatting about stuff that people claim to be experts in - God/Spirit/Logos, and how Jesus is all three ... and on how whose authority you accept, but I reject!!
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PostPosted: Fri May 03, 2013 11:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No we weren't, we were discussing a general principle about whether it is possible to hold an opinion on anything without having read or experienced it personally.

This is part of a wider discussion over whether northernstar's strongly held opinions on something he admits he knows nothing about personally but rejects have any merit, which again is part of a wider discussion over assumptions people make over other people's beliefs.


Nothing about God/Spirit/Logos and how Jesus is all three specifically.

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