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PostPosted: Mon Oct 28, 2013 9:32 am    Post subject: Re: The Lord's Prayer.  Reply with quote

truster;
I've seen the word - which is unusual in 'classic' (Attic') greek, virtually unknown in Koine, translated s
"oncoming"
""Ongoing"
""Active assisting"
"future affirmatory".
The limitations in translation into the shifting sands of modern English make an exact transliteration approximate.
I've used "tomorrow" as a rough approximation, that word being suggested as as good as any other transliteration by the late Prof William Barclay, senior in N.T. Greek at Glasgow University.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 28, 2013 10:11 am    Post subject: Re: The Lord's Prayer. Reply with quote

Jim wrote:
Dunno what you're going to say, truster, but as far as the Didache goes, I find it, and other post canonical (but non-Gnostic) second century writings fascinating as an insight into the development of practice in the early Church.

As for the prayer we find in the Gospels, obviously the Lord never meant it to be prayed verbatim..."This is HOW", not "This is What".
However it is useful as an aid to prayer, even if sometimes we take the words for granted.
I use it as a model for my personal prayer time, as a structure round which I can form my own prayer.
(which is what, as far as I'm concerned, the Lord intended)


It saddens me when I hear the words, which as far as I'm concerned, I guess, I think or I believe. You are so far from the knowledge of the truth jim, but it would seem you are satisfied in your ignorance.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 28, 2013 11:01 am    Post subject: Re: The Lord's Prayer. Reply with quote

Wot?
Do you think the Lord intended us to go through the motions of using the words formulaically like a Dalek with a hangover, then?
He did say "This is how you should pray...."
Indicating the personal nature of the concept, the structure of the prayer and, as an addendum, the consequences of not forgiving others.
Seems like a layout of structured prayer to me.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 28, 2013 11:52 am    Post subject: Re: The Lord's Prayer. Reply with quote

Jim wrote:
Wot?
Do you think the Lord intended us to go through the motions of using the words formulaically like a Dalek with a hangover, then?
He did say "This is how you should pray...."
Indicating the personal nature of the concept, the structure of the prayer and, as an addendum, the consequences of not forgiving others.
Seems like a layout of structured prayer to me.


''And he said to them, when ever ye pray, word, Our Fatherů.''

There are mistranslations in scripture and the word 'say' as opposed to 'word' is one of them. I don't expect you to understand the significance of this.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 28, 2013 12:46 pm    Post subject: Re: The Lord's Prayer. Reply with quote

Why not, pray?
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 28, 2013 2:14 pm    Post subject: Re: The Lord's Prayer. Reply with quote

Jim wrote:
Why not, pray?


If you care to prove wrong, feel free.

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